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"limb.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "releng-team"}, {"name": "provenpackager"}, {"name": "packager"}, {"name": "sysadmin-devel"}, {"name": "packaging-committee"}, {"name": "signed_fpca"}, {"name": "fedorabugs"}, {"name": "sysadmin-releng"}, {"name": "fedora-contributor"}, {"name": "ipausers"}, {"name": "sysadmin-cvs"}, {"name": "cvsadmin"}, {"name": "sysadmin"}]}, "comments": [{"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update was automatically created", "timestamp": "2024-01-02 21:08:27", "update_id": 575261, "user_id": 91, "id": 3337070, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update's test gating status has been changed to 'waiting'.", "timestamp": "2024-01-02 21:08:59", "update_id": 575261, "user_id": 91, "id": 3337071, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update's test gating status has been changed to 'ignored'.", "timestamp": "2024-01-02 21:08:59", "update_id": 575261, "user_id": 91, "id": 3337072, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update has been submitted for stable by bodhi", "timestamp": "2024-01-02 21:09:19", "update_id": 575261, "user_id": 91, "id": 3337084, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}], "builds": [{"nvr": "minetest-5.8.0-2.fc40", "signed": true, "release_id": 76, "type": "rpm", "epoch": 0}], "bugs": [], "updateid": "FEDORA-2024-d0832eab73", "karma": 0, "content_type": "rpm", "test_cases": []}, {"autokarma": false, "autotime": false, "stable_karma": 3, "stable_days": 7, "unstable_karma": -3, "require_bugs": true, "require_testcases": true, "display_name": "", "notes": "5.8.0", "type": "bugfix", "status": "stable", "request": null, "severity": "low", "suggest": "unspecified", "locked": false, "pushed": true, "critpath": false, "critpath_groups": "", "close_bugs": true, "date_submitted": "2023-12-05 23:23:21", "date_modified": null, "date_approved": null, "date_testing": "2023-12-06 01:43:25", "date_stable": "2023-12-14 01:30:12", "alias": "FEDORA-2023-877949f206", "test_gating_status": "ignored", "from_tag": null, "date_pushed": "2023-12-14 01:30:12", "meets_testing_requirements": true, "url": "https://bodhi.stg.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-877949f206", "title": "minetest-5.8.0-1.fc39", "version_hash": "8f1fce6d279dbb0d28062bf6bc9fa1528a008498", "release": {"name": "F39", "long_name": "Fedora 39", "version": "39", "id_prefix": "FEDORA", "branch": "f39", "dist_tag": "f39", "stable_tag": "f39-updates", "testing_tag": "f39-updates-testing", "candidate_tag": "f39-updates-candidate", "pending_signing_tag": "f39-signing-pending", "pending_testing_tag": "f39-updates-testing-pending", "pending_stable_tag": "f39-updates-pending", "override_tag": "f39-override", "mail_template": "fedora_errata_template", "state": "current", "composed_by_bodhi": true, "create_automatic_updates": false, "package_manager": "dnf", "testing_repository": "updates-testing", "released_on": null, "eol": "2024-11-26", "critpath_mandatory_days_in_testing": 14, "mandatory_days_in_testing": 7, "critpath_min_karma": 2, "min_karma": 1, "setting_status": null}, "user": {"name": "limb", "email": "gwync@protonmail.com", "id": 134, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/620da77fd218195ab689baa12f7235abc3b46837d32e695752381cc8df44c568?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "limb.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "releng-team"}, {"name": "provenpackager"}, {"name": "packager"}, {"name": "sysadmin-devel"}, {"name": "packaging-committee"}, {"name": "signed_fpca"}, {"name": "fedorabugs"}, {"name": "sysadmin-releng"}, {"name": "fedora-contributor"}, {"name": "ipausers"}, {"name": "sysadmin-cvs"}, {"name": "cvsadmin"}, {"name": "sysadmin"}]}, "comments": [{"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update has been submitted for testing by limb. ", "timestamp": "2023-12-05 23:23:22", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 91, "id": 3303392, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update's test gating status has been changed to 'ignored'.", "timestamp": "2023-12-05 23:23:22", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 91, "id": 3303393, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": -1, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "As this is described at https://fosstodon.org/@cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com@cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/111530395061293552 , I am concerned as to whether it's permissible under https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packaged/#_packages_which_are_not_useful_without_external_code . At least from the toot, it sounds like the package is now essentially useless without an externally-provided component (\"the Minetest game\"), which seems on the face of it to violate \"Software which downloads code bundles from the internet in order to be functional or useful is not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora (regardless of whether the downloaded code would be acceptable to be packaged in Fedora as a proper dependency).\"\n\nWilling to reverse my karma if my concern is unfounded, but please at least explain this.", "timestamp": "2023-12-06 00:34:16", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 302, "id": 3303419, "bug_feedback": [{"karma": 0, "comment_id": 3303419, "bug_id": 2253042, "bug": {"bug_id": 2253042, "title": "Minetest version 5.8.0 is released", "security": false, "parent": false}}, {"karma": 0, "comment_id": 3303419, "bug_id": 2253077, "bug": {"bug_id": 2253077, "title": "minetest-5.8.0 is available", "security": false, "parent": false}}], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "adamwill", "email": "awilliam@redhat.com", "id": 302, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/51720fbb2ec5dfd2bc005ac374a3bfd3190cb8f45f3bb8d6bdf35fb6a051d03b?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "adamwill.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "proventesters"}, {"name": "provenpackager"}, {"name": "packager"}, {"name": "qa-tools-sig"}, {"name": "fedora-contributor"}, {"name": "news"}, {"name": "gittriage"}, {"name": "sysadmin"}, {"name": "gitspin-kickstarts"}, {"name": "signed_fpca"}, {"name": "gitgeneric-release"}, {"name": "yak_farmers"}, {"name": "triagers"}, {"name": "qa"}, {"name": "sysadmin-qa"}, {"name": "fedorabugs"}, {"name": "ipausers"}, {"name": "gitmkinitrd"}, {"name": "qa-admin"}, {"name": "aws-qa"}, {"name": "change-wranglers"}, {"name": "fedora-ci-admins"}, {"name": "common-issues-triage"}, {"name": "sysadmin-main"}, {"name": "trust admins"}, {"name": "program-management"}, {"name": "gitfedora-project-schedule"}]}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "So the minetest game is still included in the server package, and the client can be used either with the server package or a remote server, even without downloading the minetest game on the client. We'd still ship the minetest game as in the past but the client won't load it from that location anymore, only the user's homedir.", "timestamp": "2023-12-06 00:52:51", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 134, "id": 3303431, "bug_feedback": [{"karma": 0, "comment_id": 3303431, "bug_id": 2253042, "bug": {"bug_id": 2253042, "title": "Minetest version 5.8.0 is released", "security": false, "parent": false}}, {"karma": 0, "comment_id": 3303431, "bug_id": 2253077, "bug": {"bug_id": 2253077, "title": "minetest-5.8.0 is available", "security": false, "parent": false}}], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "limb", "email": "gwync@protonmail.com", "id": 134, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/620da77fd218195ab689baa12f7235abc3b46837d32e695752381cc8df44c568?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "limb.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "releng-team"}, {"name": "provenpackager"}, {"name": "packager"}, {"name": "sysadmin-devel"}, {"name": "packaging-committee"}, {"name": "signed_fpca"}, {"name": "fedorabugs"}, {"name": "sysadmin-releng"}, {"name": "fedora-contributor"}, {"name": "ipausers"}, {"name": "sysadmin-cvs"}, {"name": "cvsadmin"}, {"name": "sysadmin"}]}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update has been pushed to testing.", "timestamp": "2023-12-06 01:44:12", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 91, "id": 3303501, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "Bodhi is disabling automatic push to stable due to negative karma. The maintainer may push manually if they determine that the issue is not severe.", "timestamp": "2023-12-06 01:44:13", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 91, "id": 3303503, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update can be pushed to stable now if the maintainer wishes", "timestamp": "2023-12-13 01:45:24", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 91, "id": 3320827, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update has been submitted for stable by limb. ", "timestamp": "2023-12-13 04:41:13", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 91, "id": 3321045, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "This update has been pushed to stable.", "timestamp": "2023-12-14 01:31:45", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 91, "id": 3322035, "bug_feedback": [], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "bodhi", "email": null, "id": 91, "avatar": "https://apps.fedoraproject.org/img/icons/bodhi-24.png", "openid": "bodhi.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": []}}, {"karma": 1, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": ">  I am concerned as to whether it's permissible under https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packaged/#_packages_which_are_not_useful_without_external_code . At least from the toot, it sounds like the package is now essentially useless without an externally-provided component (\"the Minetest game\"), which seems on the face of it to violate \"Software which downloads code bundles from the internet in order to be functional or useful is not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora (regardless of whether the downloaded code would be acceptable to be packaged in Fedora as a proper dependency).\"\n\nHi, Minetest developer here. Without Minetest Game, the user can still connect to online servers and play Minetest that way. All the code runs server-side, so no code needs to be downloaded to play on an online server.\n\nAs for singleplayer games, Minetest is game platform like an open source Steam. Would the client for an open source game platform like Itch.io be allowed on Fedora, even if it doesn't come with games by default?\n\nIf it turns out that removing Minetest Game would cause issues with Fedora policies, then just keep it. It's better to have Minetest with Minetest Game than not have it at all", "timestamp": "2023-12-30 19:17:45", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 8004, "id": 3334513, "bug_feedback": [{"karma": 1, "comment_id": 3334513, "bug_id": 2253042, "bug": {"bug_id": 2253042, "title": "Minetest version 5.8.0 is released", "security": false, "parent": false}}, {"karma": 1, "comment_id": 3334513, "bug_id": 2253077, "bug": {"bug_id": 2253077, "title": "minetest-5.8.0 is available", "security": false, "parent": false}}], "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "rubenwardy", "email": "rw@rubenwardy.com", "id": 8004, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/d37f06e4fd2484785f03f01d6c77d6a465a7e9a4467e4bb9a549505e47ef19a9?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "rubenwardy.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "ipausers"}]}}], "builds": [{"nvr": "minetest-5.8.0-1.fc39", "signed": true, "release_id": 70, "type": "rpm", "epoch": 0}], "bugs": [{"bug_id": 2253042, "title": "Minetest version 5.8.0 is released", "security": false, "parent": false, "feedback": [{"karma": 0, "comment_id": 3303419, "bug_id": 2253042, "comment": {"karma": -1, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "As this is described at https://fosstodon.org/@cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com@cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/111530395061293552 , I am concerned as to whether it's permissible under https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packaged/#_packages_which_are_not_useful_without_external_code . At least from the toot, it sounds like the package is now essentially useless without an externally-provided component (\"the Minetest game\"), which seems on the face of it to violate \"Software which downloads code bundles from the internet in order to be functional or useful is not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora (regardless of whether the downloaded code would be acceptable to be packaged in Fedora as a proper dependency).\"\n\nWilling to reverse my karma if my concern is unfounded, but please at least explain this.", "timestamp": "2023-12-06 00:34:16", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 302, "id": 3303419, "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "adamwill", "email": "awilliam@redhat.com", "id": 302, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/51720fbb2ec5dfd2bc005ac374a3bfd3190cb8f45f3bb8d6bdf35fb6a051d03b?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "adamwill.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "proventesters"}, {"name": "provenpackager"}, {"name": "packager"}, {"name": "qa-tools-sig"}, {"name": "fedora-contributor"}, {"name": "news"}, {"name": "gittriage"}, {"name": "sysadmin"}, {"name": "gitspin-kickstarts"}, {"name": "signed_fpca"}, {"name": "gitgeneric-release"}, {"name": "yak_farmers"}, {"name": "triagers"}, {"name": "qa"}, {"name": "sysadmin-qa"}, {"name": "fedorabugs"}, {"name": "ipausers"}, {"name": "gitmkinitrd"}, {"name": "qa-admin"}, {"name": "aws-qa"}, {"name": "change-wranglers"}, {"name": "fedora-ci-admins"}, {"name": "common-issues-triage"}, {"name": "sysadmin-main"}, {"name": "trust admins"}, {"name": "program-management"}, {"name": "gitfedora-project-schedule"}]}}}, {"karma": 0, "comment_id": 3303431, "bug_id": 2253042, "comment": {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "So the minetest game is still included in the server package, and the client can be used either with the server package or a remote server, even without downloading the minetest game on the client. We'd still ship the minetest game as in the past but the client won't load it from that location anymore, only the user's homedir.", "timestamp": "2023-12-06 00:52:51", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 134, "id": 3303431, "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "limb", "email": "gwync@protonmail.com", "id": 134, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/620da77fd218195ab689baa12f7235abc3b46837d32e695752381cc8df44c568?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "limb.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "releng-team"}, {"name": "provenpackager"}, {"name": "packager"}, {"name": "sysadmin-devel"}, {"name": "packaging-committee"}, {"name": "signed_fpca"}, {"name": "fedorabugs"}, {"name": "sysadmin-releng"}, {"name": "fedora-contributor"}, {"name": "ipausers"}, {"name": "sysadmin-cvs"}, {"name": "cvsadmin"}, {"name": "sysadmin"}]}}}, {"karma": 1, "comment_id": 3334513, "bug_id": 2253042, "comment": {"karma": 1, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": ">  I am concerned as to whether it's permissible under https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packaged/#_packages_which_are_not_useful_without_external_code . At least from the toot, it sounds like the package is now essentially useless without an externally-provided component (\"the Minetest game\"), which seems on the face of it to violate \"Software which downloads code bundles from the internet in order to be functional or useful is not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora (regardless of whether the downloaded code would be acceptable to be packaged in Fedora as a proper dependency).\"\n\nHi, Minetest developer here. Without Minetest Game, the user can still connect to online servers and play Minetest that way. All the code runs server-side, so no code needs to be downloaded to play on an online server.\n\nAs for singleplayer games, Minetest is game platform like an open source Steam. Would the client for an open source game platform like Itch.io be allowed on Fedora, even if it doesn't come with games by default?\n\nIf it turns out that removing Minetest Game would cause issues with Fedora policies, then just keep it. It's better to have Minetest with Minetest Game than not have it at all", "timestamp": "2023-12-30 19:17:45", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 8004, "id": 3334513, "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "rubenwardy", "email": "rw@rubenwardy.com", "id": 8004, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/d37f06e4fd2484785f03f01d6c77d6a465a7e9a4467e4bb9a549505e47ef19a9?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "rubenwardy.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "ipausers"}]}}}]}, {"bug_id": 2253077, "title": "minetest-5.8.0 is available", "security": false, "parent": false, "feedback": [{"karma": 0, "comment_id": 3303419, "bug_id": 2253077, "comment": {"karma": -1, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "As this is described at https://fosstodon.org/@cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com@cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/111530395061293552 , I am concerned as to whether it's permissible under https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packaged/#_packages_which_are_not_useful_without_external_code . At least from the toot, it sounds like the package is now essentially useless without an externally-provided component (\"the Minetest game\"), which seems on the face of it to violate \"Software which downloads code bundles from the internet in order to be functional or useful is not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora (regardless of whether the downloaded code would be acceptable to be packaged in Fedora as a proper dependency).\"\n\nWilling to reverse my karma if my concern is unfounded, but please at least explain this.", "timestamp": "2023-12-06 00:34:16", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 302, "id": 3303419, "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "adamwill", "email": "awilliam@redhat.com", "id": 302, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/51720fbb2ec5dfd2bc005ac374a3bfd3190cb8f45f3bb8d6bdf35fb6a051d03b?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "adamwill.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "proventesters"}, {"name": "provenpackager"}, {"name": "packager"}, {"name": "qa-tools-sig"}, {"name": "fedora-contributor"}, {"name": "news"}, {"name": "gittriage"}, {"name": "sysadmin"}, {"name": "gitspin-kickstarts"}, {"name": "signed_fpca"}, {"name": "gitgeneric-release"}, {"name": "yak_farmers"}, {"name": "triagers"}, {"name": "qa"}, {"name": "sysadmin-qa"}, {"name": "fedorabugs"}, {"name": "ipausers"}, {"name": "gitmkinitrd"}, {"name": "qa-admin"}, {"name": "aws-qa"}, {"name": "change-wranglers"}, {"name": "fedora-ci-admins"}, {"name": "common-issues-triage"}, {"name": "sysadmin-main"}, {"name": "trust admins"}, {"name": "program-management"}, {"name": "gitfedora-project-schedule"}]}}}, {"karma": 0, "comment_id": 3303431, "bug_id": 2253077, "comment": {"karma": 0, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": "So the minetest game is still included in the server package, and the client can be used either with the server package or a remote server, even without downloading the minetest game on the client. We'd still ship the minetest game as in the past but the client won't load it from that location anymore, only the user's homedir.", "timestamp": "2023-12-06 00:52:51", "update_id": 568537, "user_id": 134, "id": 3303431, "testcase_feedback": [], "user": {"name": "limb", "email": "gwync@protonmail.com", "id": 134, "avatar": "https://seccdn.libravatar.org/avatar/620da77fd218195ab689baa12f7235abc3b46837d32e695752381cc8df44c568?s=24&d=retro", "openid": "limb.id.stg.fedoraproject.org", "groups": [{"name": "releng-team"}, {"name": "provenpackager"}, {"name": "packager"}, {"name": "sysadmin-devel"}, {"name": "packaging-committee"}, {"name": "signed_fpca"}, {"name": "fedorabugs"}, {"name": "sysadmin-releng"}, {"name": "fedora-contributor"}, {"name": "ipausers"}, {"name": "sysadmin-cvs"}, {"name": "cvsadmin"}, {"name": "sysadmin"}]}}}, {"karma": 1, "comment_id": 3334513, "bug_id": 2253077, "comment": {"karma": 1, "karma_critpath": 0, "text": ">  I am concerned as to whether it's permissible under https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packaged/#_packages_which_are_not_useful_without_external_code . At least from the toot, it sounds like the package is now essentially useless without an externally-provided component (\"the Minetest game\"), which seems on the face of it to violate \"Software which downloads code bundles from the internet in order to be functional or useful is not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora (regardless of whether the downloaded code would be acceptable to be packaged in Fedora as a proper dependency).\"\n\nHi, Minetest developer here. Without Minetest Game, the user can still connect to online servers and play Minetest that way. All the code runs server-side, so no code needs to be downloaded to play on an online server.\n\nAs for singleplayer games, Minetest is game platform like an open source Steam. Would the client for an open source game platform like Itch.io be allowed on Fedora, even if it doesn't come with games by default?\n\nIf it turns out that removing Minetest Game would cause issues with Fedora policies, then just keep it. 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